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		<title>On The Mount &#8212; An interview with Gary Panter</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[This interview with Gary Panter was conducted over a crackling phone line in New York in the spring of 2004. Panter had recently released his magnum opus Jimbo in Purgatory, a reading via comics of the middle part of Dante&#8217;s Divine Comedy, the Purgatorio , via Boccaccio and a host of other classics of European&#8230;]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_5112" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=5112" rel="attachment wp-att-5112"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5112" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_cvr-500x713.jpg" alt="" title="jimbo_cvr" width="500" height="713" class="size-medium wp-image-5112" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_cvr-500x713.jpg 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_cvr.jpg 621w" sizes="(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-5112" class="wp-caption-text">Jimbo in Purgatory</p></div><br />
This interview with <a target="new" href="http://www.garypanter.com/site/">Gary Panter</a> was conducted over a crackling phone line in New York in the spring of 2004. Panter had recently released his magnum opus <a target="new" href="http://www.fantagraphics.com/browse-shop/jimbo-in-purgatory-signed-numbered-edition.html?vmcchk=1"><em>Jimbo in Purgatory</em></a>, a reading via comics of the middle part of Dante&#8217;s <em>Divine Comedy</em>, the <em>Purgatorio </em>, via Boccaccio and a host of other classics of European literature &#8212; particularly of the medieval and renaissance eras &#8212; dressed in pop culture drag. </p>
<p>Surely one of the most unusual works of comics of the past couple of decades, it is an incredibly dense and (let&#8217;s face it) difficult work. layered as it is in intertextual reference. But it rewards the committed reader, providing an oblique viewpoint upon the classical tradition, and not the least its humanist iteration as born in the late middle ages and developed through the renaissance to shape Western culture as we know it. Although its particulars may largely be forgotten today, Panter insists upon its currency and situates it at the heart of contemporary culture in what is merely the most hubristic manifestation of his ongoing efforts to break down the barriers between so-called high and low culture. By demonstrating that the two were always of a piece, fruitfully synthesized in multifarious ways through the early modern period, and alive and kicking today.</p>
<p>The interview was <a target="new" href="http://metabunker.dk/rackham/Interviews/interview012.php">originally published</a> in Danish at <em>Rackham</em> back in 2004, and was followed by my <a target="new" href="http://metabunker.dk/rackham/anmeldelse/anmeld075.php">review</a> of the book, which we also <a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=4899">reprinted here</a> recently. We named <em>Jimbo in Purgatory</em> <a target="new" href="http://metabunker.dk/rackham/artikel/artikel019.php">Book of the Year</a> back then, and the interview and review were at least in part an effort to get behind the scenes a little bit in order to unpack the work for the first-time reader, as well as to provide a little extra for Panter connoisseurs. I hope we succeeded, even if Panter&#8217;s subsequent edits never made it to my inbox, leaving a few lacunae in my transcript exposed and unelucidated. A pity, but in a way not inappropriate.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p><em>I&#8217;d like to start out by asking you about how the project came about. What prompted you to embark upon </em>Jimbo in Purgatory<em>? Which thoughts and ideas did you bring to it initially?</em></p>
<p>Two things happened. The first was that I started reading <em>Finnegans Wake</em> along with the footnotes to it. Secondly, I started thinking about why I had named my first <em>Jimbo</em> collection, the Pantheon book, <em>Jimbo in Paradise</em>. It clearly had to do with Dante, but I&#8217;d never actually read <em>Paradise</em>, I hadn&#8217;t read the <em>Comedy</em>. The reading of Joyce and the footnotes to it lead me to all this medieval stuff, all this satirical stuff, which really appealed to me, while Dante lead me to Boccaccio&#8230;<span id="more-5108"></span></p>
<p><em>And you&#8217;d never read that kind of stuff before?</em></p>
<p>No, I had never really read the classics. I have always read a lot. I would usually find an author I liked and read everything by him, but it would usually be modern stuff &#8212; I had read a lot of Borroughs, Ballard, Pynchon, Burgess, and various exciting stuff, but never really the classics except for the stuff they had us read in school.</p>
<div id="attachment_5117" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=5117" rel="attachment wp-att-5117"><img decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5117" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/panter_paradise-500x642.jpg" alt="" title="panter_paradise" width="500" height="642" class="size-medium wp-image-5117" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/panter_paradise-500x642.jpg 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/panter_paradise.jpg 623w" sizes="(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-5117" class="wp-caption-text">From Jimbo in Paradise</p></div>
<p><em>So what was it about Dante that grabbed you?</em></p>
<p>The architecture of Dante is really seductive, to a lot a people. Seeing it, you just go &#8220;wow &#8212; you can wrap anything around this thing.&#8221; And I started applying it to what was happening to Jimbo in the comics I was doing at the time. He was following these girls…</p>
<p><em>That would be in the Zongo series of </em>Jimbo<em> comics that came out in the mid-90s, right? I&#8217;ve only seen the first three issues…</em></p>
<p>Yeah, it was in the Zongo comics [the main part of the story was later collected as <a href="http://www.fantagraphics.com/browse-shop/jimbo-s-inferno.html"><em>Jimbo&#8217;s Inferno</em></a> in 2006]. They&#8217;re kind of hard to find today because they were making fewer and fewer of them. I really put myself into those books. Initially, I thought it would be a really neat opportunity for me to get my work across to a readership, but they really didn&#8217;t do well &#8212; I also guess there was a problem with their distribution; I mean they were being distributed to places where they were selling <em>Simpsons</em> comics, and they also looked really rough. The idea was that they progress and become increasingly elaborate as the story goes along, so the early ones are really incredibly loosely drawn, while the later ones become tighter and more organized, with the intention of ending up with this really complex construction at the end. The last one is a version of the <em>Inferno</em>. Though nowhere near as elaborate as my <em>Purgatory</em>. It was basically what got me going, and the elaborate construction that is <em>Purgatory</em> grew out of that.</p>
<div id="attachment_5118" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=5118" rel="attachment wp-att-5118"><img decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5118" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/panter_zongo-500x654.gif" alt="" title="panter_zongo" width="500" height="654" class="size-medium wp-image-5118" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/panter_zongo-500x654.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/panter_zongo.gif 611w" sizes="(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-5118" class="wp-caption-text">From Jimbo #1 (1994), published by Zongo</p></div>
<p><em>Yeah, one really gets the sense that it is so much more reflexive and constructed than anything you&#8217;ve done before, a lot of which has been really loose and kind of freeform.</em></p>
<p>Yeah, I like to approach each project in a different way, and Dante&#8217;s structure is just such a compelling model. He himself says that everything is happening on many levels in his poetry, I think in relation to his explaining his encoded poems to Beatrice in the <em>Vita Nuova</em>. </p>
<p><em>How do you mean?</em></p>
<p>Well, the <em>Comedy</em> is just so many things at the same time. While clearly this enormous Catholic cosmology, it is also incredibly seditious; aside from its giant beauty, it&#8217;s also like a dirty joke, a pit and peak &#8212; a vagina, a peak and an ejaculation.</p>
<p><em>And that&#8217;s what Boccaccio taps into, presumably? </em></p>
<p>Yeah, Boccaccio stuck by the encoded humor and satire of Dante. He comes out and tells it straight in the form of bawdy stories. He saw what Dante was doing, the astounding presumptuousness of it. I mean, he puts himself in this place where he passes judgment on everyone and often in very irreverent ways. </p>
<p><em>I&#8217;m asking specifically because the connection you see between Dante and Boccaccio really seems to have been the driving force of the project, at least initially, and while the connections you make sometimes indeed appear resonant, many of them also seem tangential at best.<br />
</em><br />
I just got the notion that there was a connection, and if you think about it : why are there so many boring, moralizing stories in the <em>Decameron</em>? He seems to be addressing specific topics, to be looking for topics in Dante to address. But yeah, absolutely, sometimes it doesn&#8217;t quite fit, and sometimes I&#8217;ll already have used a story that fits a particular canto elsewhere. I might be wrong; some of the connections are probably not there.</p>
<div id="attachment_5120" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=5120" rel="attachment wp-att-5120"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5120" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_151-500x720.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_15" width="500" height="720" class="size-medium wp-image-5120" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_151-500x720.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_151-710x1024.gif 710w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_151.gif 833w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-5120" class="wp-caption-text">Canto 15</p></div>
<p><em>In any case it provides for compelling juxtapositions of similar ideas, treated in quite different ways…</em></p>
<p>Yeah, what I really wanted to do was a book for myself and my readers. When I was doing the Zongo comics, I figured that there might possibly be 20,000-30,000 people out there that want to read my comics. Now, most of those people I might not be able to reach, so my actual readership is much smaller, maybe a thousand or so. I&#8217;m really mostly working for a small crew of readers. And I was looking for change here; I thought &#8220;I&#8217;m going to write a book for those readers. This is for me, not for a market. I&#8217;m going to really please myself.&#8221; And it&#8217;s really, quite simply a folly. My friend Ric Heitzman, whom I worked with on the designs for <em>Peewee&#8217;s Playhouse</em>, was building an actual folly in his backyard at the time, and I thought that would be something to do &#8212; this thing that is simply built for its own sake and doesn&#8217;t necessarily make a lot of rational sense. But at the same time it was very important to me. So I thought, &#8220;If I&#8217;m going to build a folly, let&#8217;s write a good one!&#8221;</p>
<p><em>You have previously mentioned your strict religious upbringing as a major factor in your approach to your work, not the least in this particular case.</em></p>
<p>Yes, me and religion. I grew up in this fundamentalist Christian milieu in Texas, so dealing with all this satirical stuff was really good for me, for untangling some of what was impressed upon me as a child. Now, my family are really nice people, their friends are nice, I&#8217;m not putting them down, but their thinking is kind of clannish. You have all these churches that all profess to offer the Truth, it&#8217;s just clannish, and I&#8217;m thinking that if Jesus had any real message it would be to break down all these clans. I suppose the churches provide a sense of local community, but they also isolate themselves from each other and the rest of the world. There&#8217;ll be fifty churches in a tiny Texan town, each of which asserts itself as offering the One True Faith. <em>Sometimes</em> they get together &#8212; like after 9/11, most of these churches and their congregations got together to pray, <em>except</em> the kind I grew up attending. They&#8217;re like the Taliban; even in a case like this, they go &#8220;We can&#8217;t pray with these people, because they&#8217;re going to burn in Hell.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you grow up like that, it becomes a blinder, a lock on your brain, which I guess is what most of this country is suffering from. Most people think that either this country is the One True Country, or they think theirs is the One True Religion. Growing up, I became a reactionary, which is kind of a lame thing to be in a way, but I really ended up not liking organized religion. Now, Dante lived in a time where you could be jailed, if not beheaded, for criticizing people like that. And he just emerges as this poet-politician-pharmacist guy and writes this monumental poem, in the <em>vernacular</em>, where he describes these popes shoving pitchforks up each other&#8217;s asses in a burning pit. He has these monks wearing lead robes to comment on how Catholic monks were getting into such excessive finery and wouldn&#8217;t wear red robes anymore. That takes a lot of balls to do. His work is this ecstatic metaphysical event that cracks open all these things that the church has turned to stone, into institutions &#8212; Dante comes along and takes all that apart and puts himself up there with the writers of the Bible.</p>
<p><em>It&#8217;s very presumptuous and very daring.</em></p>
<p>Yes, and he obviously also part of a classical tradition. What happens is a mix of biblical and classical sources, informing each other. It&#8217;s simply audacious and very helpful for somebody like me.</p>
<div id="attachment_5119" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=5119" rel="attachment wp-att-5119"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5119" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_10-500x705.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_10" width="500" height="705" class="size-medium wp-image-5119" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_10-500x705.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_10-726x1024.gif 726w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_10.gif 851w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-5119" class="wp-caption-text">Canto 10</p></div>
<p><em>How so, more specifically?</em></p>
<p>When you can move effortlessly between ideas and literal-mindedness, you&#8217;ve broken out of the trap. Everyone I know in Texas believes that the Earth was formed in six days, etc. They believe that there&#8217;s actually a Satan with horns and everything, while it seems so obvious that Satan is <em>an idea</em>, and that sort of belief is hugely prevalent in America &#8212; it&#8217;s really an idea taken literally. Dante masters allegorical writing, writing about ideas. And then Boccacio comes along and tries to write something like <em>Hustler Magazine</em>, with all these seemingly very literal stories that of course are equally allegorical. And then I think somebody like Petrarch sees what he&#8217;s doing &#8212; the danger of it &#8212; and calms him down, so he spends the rest of his life translating classical texts and stuff. The <em>Decameron</em> was inflammatory stuff, it was risky. This was the time when Tyndale had his hands chopped off simply for translating the Bible. Being literal was dangerous.</p>
<p>All this led me to satire. These guys who think outside the box, and often write in some kind of code, when they can&#8217;t get away with writing it straight. And it&#8217;s not necessarily all that accessible; when Swift writes, he writes a sea of words, and if you want to catch something, you have to sail into the book and find it &#8212; he&#8217;s not going to come up and say it directly. </p>
<p><em>Yeah, I was going to ask about accessibility…</em></p>
<p>In some ways this is how I perceive my book; I don&#8217;t pretend to stand by that stuff, but I think I&#8217;ve made something visually. And the idea was also to provide a good reading list for my readers &#8212; go read Lucian, go read Ovid&#8217;s erotic poetry. Everybody around here plays video games all day; I teach comics and my all students know the last five years of comics history, but I want to tell them to go read all the good stuff &#8212; read Rabelais, read Chaucer.</p>
<p><em>Returning to Dante: the satire is there, definitely, but I wouldn&#8217;t expect you to say that the </em>Comedy<em> isn&#8217;t intensely religious…</em></p>
<p>Oh no, Dante was very religious, and very serious, but the richness of this thinking goes beyond what you were allowed to think. Maybe it&#8217;s, actually not so far from intellectual Catholicism at the time; the high-level scholastic and Augustinian discourse of the time, I&#8217;m very ignorant of all of that, but there is definitely a difference in the level of discourse of something like that and what most people were exposed to. I mean, this is a time were monks in Ireland would dip the <em>Book of Kells</em> in water and beat their sick cows with it to cure them &#8212; a very literal-minded religious approach to an everyday problem. </p>
<p><em>Whereas Dante&#8217;s thinking is visionary and idea-driven.</em></p>
<p>Yes, the <em>Comedy</em> is probably the result of a single instance, a singular vision. He probably saw the complete <em>Comedy</em> in one night where everything just poured into his brain &#8212; a great hallucination which he would spend the rest of his life remembering.</p>
<p><em>So you&#8217;re suggesting he had a vision under the influence of hallucinogens?</em></p>
<p>Yes, I think it&#8217;s likely. Remember, Dante was a licensed pharmacist and likely had access to and knowledge of these substances. He probably ate mushrooms or took some other form of hallucinogenic.</p>
<p><em>So you would regard hallucinogens as a powerful source of artistic inspiration?</em></p>
<p>Yes, but it depends. I took LSD in the early 70s, and later, in the early 80s. In the 70s, it was a completely devastating experience &#8212; I&#8217;m still working off that trip &#8212; later it wasn&#8217;t that big a deal. It really depends on the situation and how you use it. I had a friend calling me the other night, saying &#8220;Gary, I&#8217;m taking LSD with this girl out here in Miami and it&#8217;s amazing,&#8221; and I just went &#8220;Look, everything is going to be back to normal in the morning.&#8221; It&#8217;s not a very recreational thing, it&#8217;s kind of shamanistic. Hard drugs I flee like the plague, psychedelic drugs are very powerful and dangerous and definitely not for everybody, and regarding soft drugs, I don&#8217;t get why we have so many people locked up over them in this country, it just makes no sense and is really the consequence of an inhumane policy of no vision, claiming the religious and moral high ground. It seems to me that John of Revelations, for example, must have suffered from red mold or something &#8212; it&#8217;s a powerful vision. George Bush doesn&#8217;t have a vision. </p>
<p><em>We&#8217;ve already touched upon it, but I&#8217;d like you to elaborate a little upon the thoughts behind the structure and form of the book, if possible.</em></p>
<p>I decided early on that my approach would be very procedural. I wanted a sense of rhythm, so I went with a basic structure where each spread consists of a fairly dense, contracted page on the left, with a grid of four by three panels, and a less dense, more expansive one of the right, with a grid of three by three panels. The idea is that it expands and contracts rhythmically, like a heartbeat. I also wanted to make something that looked somewhat like an illuminated manuscript, which is why I framed each page with these borders, referring both to the past and the 20th century. </p>
<p>Procedurally I, as mentioned, worked on the assumption that Boccaccio had encoded Dante, so I went through the two works side by side, looking for connections. If I couldn&#8217;t find a word or a theme, I would look for something visual; fluttering flags, for example. Anything. I would also read a lot of other stuff, looking for quotes that would somehow state whatever theme I&#8217;d come up with, like fluttering flags or whatever. If I was dealing with the abuse of alcohol, I could go to [George] Cruikshank, for example, his screeds against alcohol from the 1830s. So it would grow and become this kind of sculptural construction, kind of a mosaic. Once I made a connection, I would divide the number of words in the canto with the words in the Boccaccio story and then divide that with the amount of panels on the page, to get a sense of how to spread out the narrative. </p>
<p><em>So you would actually compose the page according to a very schematic structure? Were you trying to divide up the words you needed for each panel exactly?</em></p>
<p>Well, I would calculate an average and use that as the basis to know how far each panel should progress the story : where I would put each of the elements that corresponded with the individual <em>canto</em> and so on.</p>
<p><em>Your approach seems to become increasingly mosaic-like as you go along; the first ten pages or so follow the Dante </em>canti<em> and Boccaccio stories in question quite closely, whereas later you move further and further away from them as source material and incorporate a much wider variety of material.</em></p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s right. At first I didn&#8217;t quite know how to approach it, and I knew I wasn&#8217;t going to do anything I did over again later, so it basically was a continuation of my approach with the Zongo comics where I would start sloppy and then tighten up and go increasingly complex as I went along. So by the time I reached <em>Purgatory</em> it became really intricate and took several years to complete. When I began <em>Purgatory</em>, I was literally trying to tell the stories of Dante and Boccaccio, but that was just unsatisfying, so I figured I could slow down and make it tighter, more convoluted, since that&#8217;s also what Dante does; when you read <em>Paradise</em>, it&#8217;s like there&#8217;s a big hand coming down to you from above, telling you to bow down your head. <em>Paradise</em> is really loaded with information; it becomes fairly tedious at times, Dante is listing all these heroes of his.</p>
<p><em>Yeah, and it&#8217;s also where he gets into the most complex theological and philosophical discussions, the most abstract stuff…</em></p>
<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s really interesting, because, again, you have these different levels of meaning, and I really see <em>Paradise</em> as incredibly erotic. It&#8217;s basically about how Dante aspires towards Beatrice, who is put in the place of the Divine. There&#8217;s a very carnal aspect to it.</p>
<div id="attachment_5121" style="width: 360px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=5121" rel="attachment wp-att-5121"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5121" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/panter_paradiso.jpg" alt="" title="panter_paradiso" width="350" height="377" class="size-full wp-image-5121" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-5121" class="wp-caption-text">Panter&#039;s Paradiso print</p></div><em>Have you considered doing something similar to</em> Jimbo in Purgatory with Paradise<em>? I know there was the Pantheon collection, but…</em></p>
<p>It came to mind to do something similar, to continue the story, but then I did this print, representing the different generations of cartoonists spiraling inwards towards the present in what is kind of a cartoon-analogy to Dante&#8217;s pantheon of personal heroes in <em>Paradise</em>…</p>
<p><em>Is that the one on the inside of the dust jacket of</em> McSweeneys<em> #13?</em></p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s the one; I originally did it as a print. It&#8217;s kind of a take on <em>Paradise</em>, but I might want to do something more, although I don&#8217;t think I want to do a <em>Paradise</em> like this <em>Purgatory</em>… I don&#8217;t know &#8212; it could be anything. </p>
<div id="attachment_4919" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=4919" rel="attachment wp-att-4919"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4919" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_11-500x710.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_11" width="500" height="710" class="size-medium wp-image-4919" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_11-500x710.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_11-720x1024.gif 720w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_11.gif 844w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-4919" class="wp-caption-text">Canto 11</p></div>
<p><em>OK, let&#8217;s look at some specific examples from the comic to arrive at a fuller picture of your approach. Your treatment of Dante&#8217;s </em>canto<em> 11, for example, mystified me a bit, since it is so ripe with possibilities for thematic exploration, dealing as it does with the nature of art and the transience of human endeavor. You turn that whole thing into a bunch of dirty limericks!</em></p>
<p>Yeah [chuckles] I just decided early on to follow my whims; if I got distracted visually, for example, I&#8217;d go with that distraction. The dirty limericks here are about Boccaccio. I would really like to hear what Dante and Boccaccio experts would have to say about it &#8212; my ears would probably be red afterwards.</p>
<p><em>I guess your introduction of that kind of material was also an attempt to honor the humor in Dante and Boccaccio, and &#8212; I could imagine &#8212; an attempt to temper the gravity of the material and the danger of coming off as too pretentious.</em></p>
<p>Yeah, I knew that if I made it too heavy, nobody was going to come with me. That&#8217;s also the reason I added the page with the record recommendations in the back &#8212; to sort of round it off on a playful note. While the <em>Purgatory</em> book was in production, I sent photocopies of it over to my friend Bruno Richard in Paris, and he sent me back the record page, basically meaning &#8220;What the fuck?&#8221; [Matthias laughs]</p>
<div id="attachment_4906" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=4906" rel="attachment wp-att-4906"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4906" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_12-500x734.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_12" width="500" height="734" class="size-medium wp-image-4906" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_12-500x734.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_12-697x1024.gif 697w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_12.gif 817w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-4906" class="wp-caption-text">Canto 12</p></div>
<p><em>Related to that, possibly, is your use of popular culture &#8212; a constant in your work, but extremely palpable here because of the lofty context. Sometimes there seems to be kind of an asymmetrical relationship between what you use and what you represent. An example is in </em>canto 12<em>; in Dante he sees these sculptural reliefs in the floor that are basically a history of mythological representations of human hubris and the transience of our lives, and you replace that by these B-movie posters…</em></p>
<p>Yeah, they&#8217;re posters from Japanese monster movies…</p>
<p><em>Right, OK, I guess I first want to ask what your interest in popular culture is, and why you use it here? </em></p>
<p>I use it because pop culture is the reigning mythology now, just like In Roman times everything was referring to the gods, for example. I got into Japan from watching <em>Godzilla</em> movies, these hokey Japanese monster movies, and there&#8217;s something mythological about that &#8212; it resonates with Japanese culture and history. I went and started reading about Japan on the basis of that. </p>
<p>The same important messages that used to be conveyed by mythology are today conveyed by popular culture, and that&#8217;s not to excuse popular culture &#8212; most of it is mind numbing &#8212; but it definitely reflects important things about us and our time. If I, for example, look for harbingers in my comics, I see them: just before the Tsunami disaster in Southeast Asia, for example, I had done this drawing of a beach with a threatening wave on the horizon. If you look for this kind of stuff, it&#8217;s there, but I think its best to avoid thinking about it. </p>
<div id="attachment_5128" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=5128" rel="attachment wp-att-5128"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5128" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_20-500x722.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_20" width="500" height="722" class="size-medium wp-image-5128" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_20-500x722.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_20-709x1024.gif 709w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_20.gif 831w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-5128" class="wp-caption-text">Canto 20 (with the bombing of Serbia)</p></div>
<p>Things happening around me in the world as I was working also made it into the book. One thing that was happening was the bombing of Serbia, and when Jimbo is on the mountain with all the dead bodies &#8212; that was Serbia. And I have the death of Princess Di, the crashed car, in the place of Violent Death, along with John Lennon. I have Frank Zappa in the Valley of Negligent Kings. I was looking for specific traits in many of the pop-culture figures, much in the way that Ben Johnson derives the humor of his characters from giving each of them a distinct character trait. I for example place Boy George amongst the slovenly, who are too lazy to seek out their own salvation, preferring to loaf around and wait for it to come to them. </p>
<p>I generally just tried to find connections, things that resonated with the themes and situations described by Dante. And since he also fills the <em>Comedy</em> with contemporary characters and stories that would probably since have been largely forgotten were it not for him, and basically things he just <em>likes</em>, I figured it was natural to do the same. I was also looking at it as my remembrance of the latter half of the 20th Century &#8212; the period in which I had lived for what will be most of my life, and which was ending as I was working. I wanted to acknowledge that.</p>
<div id="attachment_4914" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=4914" rel="attachment wp-att-4914"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4914" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_07-500x723.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_07" width="500" height="723" class="size-medium wp-image-4914" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_07-500x723.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_07-707x1024.gif 707w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_07.gif 829w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-4914" class="wp-caption-text">Canto 7 (with the Valley of Faithless Kings)</p></div>
<p><em>Right. Part of the reason I wanted to ask you about your use of popular culture was also that, in a way, its use can &#8212; along with such things as the record page &#8212; be seen as kind of an ironic, self-conscious gesture, which can seem as a kind of copout, given the thematic profundity of the work, like you&#8217;re having it both ways.</em></p>
<p>Yeah, well, I didn&#8217;t feel very defensive about it. Pop culture is something most people can relate to, and it&#8217;s really analogous to Dante&#8217;s references and, at an even more basic level, his use of the vernacular for the <em>Comedy</em>. One thing I did worry a little bit about was turning the whole thing into this &#8216;rock and roll heaven,&#8217; so I tried to put all that, all those bands I like, on one page and get it out of my system. I also try to maintain some kind of consistency in the way I represent things throughout the book; the angels are mostly Japanese toys, for example, except for the one I draw as the robot from <em>Metropolis</em>.</p>
<p><em>…Which is the one that in Dante descends upon our protagonists and talks about human aspiration and idealism, something you seem to entirely leave out in your version…</em></p>
<p>Yeah, I can be totally criticized for not often addressing the material, and instead looking for thematic resonances. I see it as kind of a combination of what I usually do in my comics and what I do in my paintings. In my comics, I&#8217;m usually telling some kind of story or something around the story. In the paintings, I don&#8217;t tell stories and it&#8217;s all about images that resonate with each other. I don&#8217;t regard myself as a profound intellectual thinker, and I didn&#8217;t feel constrained by intellectual concerns here, I never do; it&#8217;s an associative thing. I was trying to build a bell. In a way it&#8217;s the biggest copout ever.</p>
<div id="attachment_5131" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=5131" rel="attachment wp-att-5131"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5131" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_31-500x705.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_31" width="500" height="705" class="size-medium wp-image-5131" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_31-500x705.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_31-726x1024.gif 726w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_31.gif 851w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-5131" class="wp-caption-text">Canto 31 (Beatrice/Twiggy)</p></div>
<p><em>Well, in other places you seem to be very attentive to the themes Dante is concentrating on; you for example seem to quite profoundly follow and comment upon his discourse on love throughout the book.</em></p>
<p>Yes, especially at the very end. I was wondering how I was going to convey this, since it is so important. How to represent Beatrice. Beatrice is Twiggy, who was just omnipresent in my sexual awakening, this androgynous look, very boyish. </p>
<p><em>That&#8217;s very appropriate…</em></p>
<p>Yeah, Dante kind of gets into that by addressing several of his homosexual teachers, some of which he places on the Mount, which is quite heretical. </p>
<p><em>Yeah that too, but I meant appropriate since Dante&#8217;s relationship to Beatrice surely dates back to the days of his own sexual awakening, and even before.</em></p>
<p>Yeah, they were children when they met, and when she died really young, he was called upon to write a poem on her funeral. The <em>Comedy</em> is very sexual; it&#8217;s a big topic in the book, human sexuality versus institutional restrictions. Dante was struck by her for the rest of his life, and went about transforming the whole of Catholic doctrine into following this girl to Heaven. The relationship between the two is very vividly rendered &#8212; probably the most acute &#8216;Boccaccio-moment&#8217; in the <em>Comedy</em> is when Beatrice scolds Dante, just after they first meet in the Garden.</p>
<div id="attachment_5132" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=5132" rel="attachment wp-att-5132"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5132" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_29-500x704.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_29" width="500" height="704" class="size-medium wp-image-5132" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_29-500x704.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_29-727x1024.gif 727w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_29.gif 852w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-5132" class="wp-caption-text">Canto 29 (with Mathilda and Sulphur Springs, TX)</p></div>
<p><em>I&#8217;d like to ask you about your representation of the Earthly Paradise and its agents towards the end of the book. There&#8217;s that mysterious woman, Dante meets by the stream, who leads him to Beatrice, Mathilda…</em></p>
<p>Yeah, I think she&#8217;s that Indian toy.</p>
<p><em>Is she? But what about the woman in the Stetson whom he meets on the following page, in the garden? Wouldn&#8217;t that be Mathilda? She&#8217;s the one that leads him on through the garden, to Beatrice?</em></p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s all quite mysterious &#8212; who <em>are</em> all these women in Dante? I kind of relate it to Joyce&#8217;s writing about this girl waiting on a beach. But, yeah, I guess that Texas cheerleader is Mathilda, I have her leading him along, first one side of the stream, then the other. </p>
<div id="attachment_4920" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=4920" rel="attachment wp-att-4920"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4920" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_26-500x714.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_26" width="500" height="714" class="size-medium wp-image-4920" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_26-500x714.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_26-716x1024.gif 716w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_26.gif 840w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-4920" class="wp-caption-text">Canto 26 (Gogo-poodles quoting Michelangelo)</p></div>
<p><em>I find it interesting that you chose to almost exclusively use Michelangelo&#8217;s poetry for the scene where Dante has to go through the fires of purification and enter the Earthly Paradise. It&#8217;s the only place in the book where you almost become entirely coherent, because you are mostly quoting one source. And Michelangelo is all about transcending the flesh, which I find to be more purely Platonic than what Dante is expressing in these </em>canti<em>…</em></p>
<p>Well, I chose to use that because it just seemed so appropriate. It&#8217;s quite physical; it really seems like a kind of flagellation. He seems to be struggling with his physicality, with his homosexuality and all these things in a very physical way. It&#8217;s very much in the style of somebody who is working with his hands, of a sculptor.</p>
<p><em>Could you address the humorous and profane interest and tone of the book? I&#8217;m thinking of it in relation to the transcendental aspects of Dante. You seem very insistent on the profane aspects of him…</em></p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m certainly interested in all of that, but I&#8217;m not so different from most people. I&#8217;m in favor of friendship and fidelity and believe in moral values and all that, but when you believe like I did and take everything literally, and decide to break away, a lot of questions come up. You&#8217;re aware that you should have values, but where should they come from? What should they be? This book attempts to be an articulation of that. I guess all my work is; I&#8217;m probably only always writing one comic strip in different forms. I&#8217;m probably not very good at it [laughs]. It&#8217;s like coming down from LSD. A billion dollars worth of fantastic imagery was great, but I&#8217;m glad it stopped. I have ideals, but seduce me and see what happens. I don&#8217;t know; I&#8217;m an average Joe. </p>
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		<title>Comics of the Decade: Gary Panter&#8217;s Jimbo in Purgatory</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthias Wivel]]></dc:creator>
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<em>This is part of a Metabunker series celebrating a great decade in comics with</em> <a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=2540">Rackham</a> <em>by reprinting select reviews of the decades&#8217; best comics from the</em> Rackham<em> archive, along with a number of new pieces.</em></p>
<p><em>Thus the unfacts, did we posses them, are too imprecisely few to warrant our certitude.</em></p>
<p>: James Joyce </p>
<p>In the twelfth <em>canto</em> of <em>Purgatorio</em>, the last step on the way before Dante can put behind him the burden of pride and rise up to the second terrace of Mount Purgatory, he stumbles &#8212; stooped and strained by sin &#8212; on an enormous comic, cut into the rocky pavement.</p>
<p>The comic tells the story of vanity and presumption from the dawn of time to the Biblical era. He is thus given the opportunity to reacquaint himself with the story of Niobe, Queen of Thebes, whose aggrandizement of her seven children over the goddess Leto&#8217;s two, lost them to the arrows of the gods and was transformed into a statue. Or the tale of the weaver Arachne who was punished for besting Pallas Athena with her art had to spend the rest of her life spinning webs as a spider. Or the tale of the Syrian warlord Holophernes who gave himself over to the murderous hands of the avenging Israelite Judith, or : not the least : the story of King Nimrod of Babel left broken on the plain of Shinar, his aspirations struck down in bitter confusion of language.</p>
<p>Gary Panter&#8217;s commentary track in comics, <em>Jimbo in Purgatory</em>, substitutes a diagonally placed tapestry of fifties B-movie posters for Dante&#8217;s comic. Standing in for the poet is his recurrent, Candide-like muscle man Jimbo, whose origins trace back to the early seventies, while Dante&#8217;s guide on the mountain, the Roman poet Virgil, is replaced by Jimbo&#8217;s parole officer, the box-shaped robot Valise. The angel who descends on them from the mountain and tells them about the transience of all life appears here in the form of the robot woman from Fritz Lang&#8217;s SF parable <em>Metropolis</em> (1927).</p>
<p>Panter&#8217;s version of the conversation is a fragmented jumble to Dante&#8217;s moving reflection on human worth. An exchange of classic nonsense and raunchy limericks stitched to samples from Boccaccio, Chaucer and Milton. The result is a poetic confusion of meaning in which twentieth-century pop artifacts are tried in the court of the classics, read in eclectic zigzag to engage only halfway tongue-in-cheek the questions raised by the source material.<span id="more-4899"></span> </p>
<p>The example is Joyce&#8217;s irreverently sublime language fuckery in <em>Finnegans Wake</em> (1939), and like it, <em>Jimbo in Purgatory</em> is dense and hard to access for the cursory reader. Panter is nowhere as complex as Joyce but still demands considerable intellectual and associative engagement of the reader, but he also rewards it in spades. Beyond functioning as an atomized if rich reading list, the comic is an exquisitely funny and inspiring synthesis of more than half a millennium&#8217;s worth of Western thinking.</p>
<p><em>Jimbo in Purgatory</em> grew out of a series of earlier Jimbo stories. In 1988 Panter collected a number of short and very different pieces, some of which had originally been printed in Art Spiegelman and FranÃ§oise Mouly&#8217;s classic <em>Raw Magazine</em>, to fashion a rambling dystopian cacophony, epic in scope and mind-bending in form, also named after Dante: <em>Jimbo in Paradise</em>.</p>
<p>And in the mid-nineties, Panter&#8217;s buddy Matt &#8220;Simpsons&#8221; Groening published seven <em>Jimbo </em>comic books by Panter on his imprint Zongo Comics. Initially conceived loosely and rendered naively as if by a fork, Panter elaborated the series into a pop reading of Dante&#8217;s <em>Inferno</em>, which became a test run for the more complex <em>Purgatory</em>. (This story was eventually published in collected form as <em>Jimbo&#8217;s Inferno</em> in 2006).</p>
<p>As mentioned, Panter&#8217;s foundation is<em> Purgatorio</em>, the central part of Dante&#8217;s tripartite <em>Commedia</em> &#8212; his so-called <em>Divine Comedy</em> &#8212; an epic, visionary poem written in the early decades of the fourteenth century. It narrates Dante&#8217;s journey through the classical and Christian imagination, with lines drawn back to antiquity and forwards to his own troubled times. Dante&#8217;s lucid structure provides Panter with his own, formally as well as allegorically. He mixes in the <em>Decameron</em>, Giovanni Boccaccio&#8217;s rich conglomeration of stories profane and fatal from the mid-fourteenth century.</p>
<p>As others have done before him, Panter intuits connections between the individual tales of the <em>Decameron</em> and Boccaccio&#8217;s stated paragon, the cantos :- or &#8216;songs&#8217; &#8212; of Dante&#8217;s <em>Commedia</em>. These connections are thematic as well as iconographic, but are also based on structural parallels between the two works: the Comedy consists of a hundred cantos, each regularly composed of between forty and fifty <em>terza rime</em> (three line stanzas using chain rhyme) &#8212; an introduction and thirty-three in <em>Inferno</em>, and thirty-three each in <em>Purgatorio</em> and <em>Paradiso</em>. The <em>Decameron</em>, similarly, is composed of a hundred stories told by ten narrators in groups of ten over a total narrative of ten days. The parallels that Panter draws between individual songs and stories from the two works at times feel forced, but just as often resonate beautifully, and provide the spine of his narrative structure.</p>
<p>Of central importance, too, is Dante&#8217;s <a target="new" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatorio">clearly articulated narrative space</a>, in the case of <em>Purgatorio</em> the terraces of the mountain up which the sinners must move in order gradually to purify themselves to reach salvation. Panter, who usually works very extemporally, meets this challenge in a bravura performance. Each page corresponds to a song and the story is built with unfailing rhythm, like a heartbeat &#8212; the left-hand pages consist of a four-by-three panels, while the facing, right-hand pages open up in a three-by-three grid. Contraction and expansion, <em>lub-dub, lub-dub</em>. </p>
<div id="attachment_4913" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=4913" rel="attachment wp-att-4913"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4913" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_15-500x720.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_15" width="500" height="720" class="size-medium wp-image-4913" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_15-500x720.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_15-710x1024.gif 710w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_15.gif 833w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-4913" class="wp-caption-text">Panter&#039;s graphic playfulness on display</p></div><br />
Each page is bordered in a fashion that suggests a medieval illuminated manuscript, while at the same time tying together songs taking place on the same terrace of the mountain. The pages are also laid out symmetrically, forming an organized, harmonious whole underneath the variations and sense of movement dictated by the panel-to-panel narration from right to left. A resonant <em>mise-en-scène</em> of Dante&#8217;s order in comics form.</p>
<p>These choices result in Panter&#8217;s most condensed and exacting work to date. Where he normally works on a primitivist kick, he here seeks the boundaries between scrawl and control, actually consolidating his punk-pop approach to the classics. His vitality of line has always been a crucial strength, and here he engages it almost alchemically in a symbolic space, where every detail is so rich in meaning, and where his natural sense of design works in the service of an exploration of imperfectly rendered ornament. We get craggy rings of fire, shaded by hatching varying startlingly from panel to panel; we get webs of electrical zigzag that transform into old Norse-style patterns outside the panel border; we get wavy reams of thistle, funky-awkward starry skies, small, cute and fat clouds of smoke, spirals of steam seemingly molded from pastry dough, sizzling Kirby Krackle, and lots of other wonderful cartoon candy.</p>
<p>Iconographically, Panter works according to a number of principles in close step with his source material, but he simultaneously draws upon his own pop cultural image bank and personal formation. The Roman politician Cato the Elder, who meets Dante and Virgil at the foot of the mountain, becomes Bruce Lee wielding his nunchuks, because :naturally &#8212; he played the Green Hornet&#8217;s sidekick Kato in the sixties TV series. Among the slothful passively awaiting salvation on the fourth terrace of the mountain, we find Boy George standing in for the Florentine lute-maker Belacqua. Among those who have perished under violent circumstances, we encounter John Lennon and stumble upon a car wreck referencing Princess Di&#8217;s death around the time Panter drew the page. Similarly, Frank Zappa (quite naturally) heads up the faithless kings, along with Henry Rollins, Jimi Hendrix, and other rock idols of Panter&#8217;s. </p>
<div id="attachment_4914" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=4914" rel="attachment wp-att-4914"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4914" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_07-500x723.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_07" width="500" height="723" class="size-medium wp-image-4914" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_07-500x723.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_07-707x1024.gif 707w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_07.gif 829w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-4914" class="wp-caption-text">The faithless kings.</p></div><br />
One might accuse the cartoonist of inconsistency in that he places many still-living people on Mount Purgatory, where Dante obviously only includes people who have passed on. Panter&#8217;s reasons are probably mainly practical &#8212; limiting himself to dead people would resonate less well with the kind of pop cultural framework within which he is working &#8212; but his version of the mountain is explained somewhat tongue-in-cheek in the introduction as being a <em>&#8220;…vast infotainment center built in the shape of Dante&#8217;s Mount Purgatory&#8221;</em>, in which all the players <em>&#8220;…strive for university degrees in literature&#8221;</em>, rather than an allegory of salvation of the source material.</p>
<p>The avaricious sinners on the fifth terrace, who in <em>Purgatorio</em> lie with their heads pressed against the ground, are here &#8212; again following current events at the time of creation &#8212; the victims of the US bombings in Kosovo. The mysterious Mathilda, who Dante meets at the summit, is a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. And the Earthly Paradise through which she leads Jimbo draws upon the suburban topography of Panter&#8217;s childhood town Sulphur Springs, Texas &#8212; Panter gives this particular sequence a strange beauty by leaving it entirely silent. Last, but not least, Dante&#8217;s beloved Beatrice, to whom the <em>Commedia</em> is dedicated as the ultimate love poem, is here personified by the androgynous sixties idol Twiggy, who in an ironic parallel to Dante&#8217;s unrequited first love played an important role in Panter&#8217;s sexual maturation. The personal encounter with twentieth-century mass culture is thus ensconced on Mount Parnassus, just like Dante did it with his friends and the political and cultural figures of his time.</p>
<p>Panter largely avoids the problems entailed by such an ironic treatment of his material. Although he was clearly unable to resist the temptation of inserting a list of record recommendations at the end of the book, he never stoops to the easy cop-out offered by his punk attitude, because he takes seriously his role as an interlocutor in a centuries-old discourse. As was the case in the Zongo <em>Jimbo</em> comics (aka. <em>Jimbo&#8217;s Inferno</em>), the narrative increases in complexity and fragmentation as it progresses &#8212; surely a result of the work process itself. The first cantos stick closely to Dante and Boccaccio, but as he goes along Panter adds more and more material into the mix and often strays far from the narratives two main literary constituents. The approach is associative &#8212; Panter is not philologically stringent, but rather combines themes and motifs from different texts at will and as they occur to him, making fragmented rather than cohesive sense. In some cases this approach fails in actualizing the enormous potential of the source material, such as when he dumbs down Dante&#8217;s unforgettable discussion of art and creativity in the eleventh canto by recasting it as a silly duel on limericks between Jimbo, Valise, and two dwarfs with Chesire cat smiles and stalked eyes.</p>
<div id="attachment_4919" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=4919" rel="attachment wp-att-4919"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4919" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_11-500x710.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_11" width="500" height="710" class="size-medium wp-image-4919" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_11-500x710.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_11-720x1024.gif 720w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_11.gif 844w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-4919" class="wp-caption-text">A missed opportunity.</p></div><br />
On the other hand, the self-flagellation of Michelangelo&#8217;s transcendental poetry rings true in a sequence showing Jimbo&#8217;s entry into the Earthly Sulphur Springs-Paradise. Dancing gogo poodles spiraling in sync articulate the master&#8217;s disavowal of the physical condition and longing exaltation of humanity&#8217;s hopeless quest for what lies beyond it. The homosexual Michelangelo is thus placed discretely among the lustful as described in the twenty-seventh canto of <em>Purgatorio</em>, more precisely those who have been guilty of sodomy. But more essentially his words become the invocation that leads Jimbo through the benediction to true love in the following canto. <em>Purgatorio</em>&#8216;s moment of passage linked to Michelangelo&#8217;s transcendental aspiration as depicted in his self-portrait as St. Batholomew&#8217;s flayed skin in the in the Sixtine Chapel <em>Last Judgment</em>. A beautiful and resonant coupling of two of the greatest visionaries of the Renaissance.</p>
<p><em>Jimbo in Purgatory</em> is far from perfect, but despite its ironic distance it represents a deeply serious engagement with the Western canon and beyond that the big questions at its center. In the spirit of its model, it is an arrogant and presumptuous construction, but a liberating one in its efforts to locate and uncover the continuities of life. With humor and a spectacular visual imagination, Panter serves up a lavish and remarkably generous, but never chaotic book that reminds us of the way in which truth emerges socially :moved by the power of will, thought, and faith.</p>
<div id="attachment_4920" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=4920" rel="attachment wp-att-4920"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4920" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_26-500x714.gif" alt="" title="jimbo_26" width="500" height="714" class="size-medium wp-image-4920" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_26-500x714.gif 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_26-716x1024.gif 716w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/jimbo_26.gif 840w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-4920" class="wp-caption-text">Gogo-poodles quoting Michelangelo.</p></div>
<p><em>In sync with its contents, the book combines the virtues of traditional craft and mass-production. It is an oversize, canvas-bound book impressed with gold leaf on the cover. The pages are reproduced without the fuzz of halftone patterns, but still manage to bring out the grey nuances of the original ink drawings. A triumph.</em></p>
<p><em>Originally published in Danish on the <a target="new" href="http://metabunker.dk/rackham/anmeldelse/anmeld075.php">Rackham</a> website in 2005. Other installments in this series: David B.&#8217;s</em> <a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=2558">L&#8217;Ascension du haut mal (Epileptic)</a><em>, Joe Sacco&#8217;s </em><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=2579">Safe Area GoraÅ¾de</a><em>, Frank Miller&#8217;s</em> <a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=2595">The Dark Knight Strikes Again</a><em>, Sammy Harkham et. al. </em><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=2605">Kramers Ergot<em> 4</em></a>, Marjane Satrapi&#8217;s <a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=2619"><em>Persepolis</em></a><em>, Daniel Clowes&#8217; <a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=2652">Ice Haven<em> and </em>The Death Ray<em></em></a></em><em>, Chris Ware&#8217;s</em> <a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=2687">Jimmy Corrigan &#8212; The Smartest Kid on Earth</a>, <em>Dominique Goblet&#8217;s </em><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=3000">Faire semblant c&#8217;est mentir</a>, Chester Brown&#8217;s <a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=3065"><em>Louis Riel</em></a> <em>Read also our 2004 interview with Panter on </em><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=5108">Jimbo in Purgatory.</a></p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T. Thorhauge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By Thomas Thorhauge It was a surprise when Sammy Harkham and Picture Box publisher Dan Nadel announced their plans for Kramers Ergot 8 about a year ago. Some of us had assumed that the monumental Kramers Ergot 7 had been the decadent word in what has been by far the most groundbreaking comics anthology of&#8230;]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_4298" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=4298" rel="attachment wp-att-4298"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4298" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/ke8_Beatty_-500x351.jpg" alt="" title="ke8_Beatty_" width="500" height="351" class="size-medium wp-image-4298" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/ke8_Beatty_-500x351.jpg 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/ke8_Beatty_.jpg 900w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-4298" class="wp-caption-text">From Beatty&#039;s overture</p></div><strong>By Thomas Thorhauge</strong></p>
<p>It was a surprise when Sammy Harkham and Picture Box publisher Dan Nadel announced their plans for <em>Kramers Ergot</em> 8 about a year ago. Some of us had assumed that the monumental <em>Kramers Ergot</em> 7 had been the decadent word in what has been by far the most groundbreaking comics anthology of the new century.</p>
<p>Despite good intentions and hard work, <a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=1808"><em>Kramers Ergot</em> 7</a> was a disappointment, but on the other hand it was a book with everything to lose and little to gain, and at any rate it marked a fitting finale to a great run.</p>
<p>As an aesthetic project, <em>Kramers Ergot</em> has succeeded beyond the wildest expectations, and especially the breakthrough <em>Kramers Ergot</em> 4 remains the high point of helmsman Sammy Harkham&#8217;s anthology series.<span id="more-4315"></span></p>
<p><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?p=2605"><em>Kramers Ergot</em> 4</a> marked nothing less than a paradigm shift. Although quite a few of the individual contributions were less than great, the synthesis it presented was seminal. It inspired many an art comics anthology the world over, including Matthias Wivel&#8217;s and my own <a href="http://metabunker.dk/?page_id=16"><em>BLÃ†K</em></a> and the upcoming <a href="http://www.fantagraphics.com/browse-shop/kolor-klimax-nordic-comics-now.html?vmcchk=1" target="new"><em>Kolor Klimax</em></a>, as well as the great Finnish series <a href="http://www.boingbeing.com/G10/html/introduction.html" target="new"><em>GlÃ¶mp</em></a>, to name but a few examples from our neck of the woods.</p>
<p>Its two successors &#8212; 5 and 6 &#8212; were outstanding too; 6 especially mixed up the formula in a surprising way with remarkable short works by SuihÅ Tagawa and Marc Smeets.</p>
<div id="attachment_4299" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=4299" rel="attachment wp-att-4299"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4299" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/ke8_panter_t-500x451.jpg" alt="" title="ke8_panter_t" width="500" height="451" class="size-medium wp-image-4299" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/ke8_panter_t-500x451.jpg 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/ke8_panter_t.jpg 800w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-4299" class="wp-caption-text">From Gary Panter&#039;s &quot;Jimbo&quot; story</p></div><br />
And now <a href="http://www.pictureboxinc.com/products/994-kramers-ergot-8" target="new"><em>Kramers Ergot</em> 8</a> is out. Lavishly produced in conventional book format, cloth bound and gold embossed, it delivers a perfect pastiche on seventies Science Fiction design. Pastiche? Yes, pastiche. The overture is a series of full spread illustrations by Robert Beatty that are not necessarily bad, but undeniably related to the kind of kitsch cosmic airbrush fantasies that were all the rage among street vendor-artists in the nineties.</p>
<p>This is followed by a sequel to Susan Sontag&#8217;s famous essay <a href="http://www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/irvinem/theory/Sontag-NotesOnCamp-1964.html" target="new">&#8220;Notes on Camp&#8221;</a> entitled &#8220;Notes on Camp II,&#8221; written by the musician Ian Svenonius. Sontag&#8217;s original &#8212; and excellent &#8212; essay was an intelligent and much-needed challenge to the then-stagnating and hopelessly out-of-touch conception of high culture versus popular culture that legitimized the aesthetic appreciation of comics and other forms as art incompatible with high-art sensibilities. The present follow-up offers half-baked and half-bright babble on Andy Warhol, religious history, the Roman empire, and underground comics. A non-starter.</p>
<p>Then comes the first &#8220;real&#8221; comic, by none other than Gary Panter, whose reputation as the originator of American art comics (or punk comics) has deservedly grown in the last decade or so. But this outing of his signature Jimbo character is a dull, mechanical, metaphorical lark on the blessings of the detour. It does not exactly heighten one&#8217;s expectations for the rest of the book.</p>
<p>A few pages on we get Johnny Ryan with a <em>Prison Pit</em>-like rampage. Fun and energetic for what it is, but wait&#8230; it suddenly brings to mind <em>Kramers Ergot</em> 5, which spiked its great punch with Mat Brinkman&#8217;s small masterpiece &#8220;M.L.E,&#8221; a spirited mash-up of Jack Kirby and Gary Panter that established the kind of fucked-up mayhem on which Johnny Ryan has since been riffing in <em>Prison Pit</em>. DejÃ  vu or dull cover? It is hard to get particularly worked up about it in either case.</p>
<div id="attachment_4300" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=4300" rel="attachment wp-att-4300"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4300" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/ke8_ryan_t-500x455.jpg" alt="" title="ke8_ryan_t" width="500" height="455" class="size-medium wp-image-4300" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/ke8_ryan_t-500x455.jpg 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/ke8_ryan_t.jpg 800w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-4300" class="wp-caption-text">From Johnny Ryan&#039;s &quot;Mining Colony X7170&quot;</p></div><br />
There are fine contributions in the book, but as a whole it is a sad disappointment, which above all suggests a crisis in American art comics. Porn and kitsch are the recurrent themes &#8212; not surprisingly a rather dry well to draw from &#8212; and the whole shebang is capped off by an historical seventies reprint of &#8220;Wicked Wanda,&#8221; a camp, soft porn indulgence by Frederic Mullally og Ron Embleton. Not exactly the most promising of artistic statements.</p>
<p>As an ensemble piece, <em>Kramers Ergot</em> 8 is tiring, uninspired and, most notably, decadent. If one compares with the shock and awe of holding <em>Kramers Ergot</em> 4 in one&#8217;s hands for the first time back in 2003, it is just a terribly depressing showing. That seductive, infectious, almost electrical feeling is long gone.</p>
<div id="attachment_4301" style="width: 310px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="http://metabunker.dk/?attachment_id=4301" rel="attachment wp-att-4301"><img decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-4301" src="http://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/ke8_embleton_mullalley_t-500x655.jpg" alt="" title="ke8_embleton_mullalley_t" width="300" class="size-medium wp-image-4301" srcset="https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/ke8_embleton_mullalley_t-500x655.jpg 500w, https://metabunker.dk/wp-content/uploads/ke8_embleton_mullalley_t.jpg 534w" sizes="(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a><p id="caption-attachment-4301" class="wp-caption-text">From the reprints of Ron Embleton and Frederic Mullalley&#039;s &quot;Oh, Wicked Wanda&quot; </p></div>Innovation, consolidation, dissolution, amen. It is the logical progression of a period of artistic development. But perhaps Harkham should have pulled the plug while he was still on top. Don&#8217;t get me wrong: Harkham is a great editor, a hugely important presence in art comics, Dan Nadel&#8217;s Picture Box is the most consistently exciting comics publisher in America, and <em>Kramers Ergot </em>was where it was at in 2003 and the years that followed &#8212; not just as a counterpoint to the excesses of industrial mainstream superheroics, but also to the bourgeois aspirations of the graphic novel movement. It was fresh as baby breath, the real deal. But now it is over.</p>
<p>(And where is that next shit today? I don&#8217;t know. I haven&#8217;t found it).</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthias Wivel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 00:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The picks of the week from around the web. Eagleton on Hobsbawn on Marxism. Three-in-one. What&#8217;s not to like? Kirb Your Enthusiasm. HiLowbrow is currently running a relay series on Jack Kirby, with 24 writers, artists and critics each writing about one panel of choice from The King. Good contributions from Gary Panter, Ann Nocenti,&#8230;]]></description>
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<p><em>The picks of the week from around the web.</em></p>
<li><a target="new" href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n05/terry-eagleton/indomitable">Eagleton on Hobsbawn on Marxism.</a> Three-in-one. What&#8217;s not to like?</li>
<li><a target="new" href="http://hilobrow.com/2011/02/22/kirb-your-enthusiasm-3/">Kirb Your Enthusiasm.</a> HiLowbrow is currently running a relay series on Jack Kirby, with 24 writers, artists and critics each writing about one panel of choice from The King. Good contributions from <a href="http://hilobrow.com/2011/02/22/kirb-your-enthusiasm-3/">Gary Panter</a>, <a target="new" href="http://hilobrow.com/2011/02/25/kirb-your-enthusiasm-9/">Ann Nocenti</a>, and <a href="http://hilobrow.com/2011/02/25/kirb-your-enthusiasm-10/">Greg Rowland.</a> Bonus: 4cp is running a suitably fetishistic <a target="new" href="http://4cp.posterous.com/tag/cosmicdebriskirbyinthe70s/">series of 70s panels</a> concurrently.</li>
<li><a target="new" href="http://hoodedutilitarian.com/2011/02/then-protest/">James Romberger on <em>Jules et Jim</em>.</a> Excellent analysis of Truffaut&#8217;s masterpiece as a political film.</li>
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